- At 00:00am on 23rd Mar 2011, Colin wrote:
- 41. At 00:01am on 23rd Mar 2011, quietoaktree wrote: #34 Nostrano
"As a result, assuming it's successful, Europe might even be persuaded to allow Turkey, up until Istanbul that this, to be part of the EU."
--- Have you been to Turkey ?
--- it is at present only another American dream !
- 42. At 00:06am on 23rd Mar 2011, The Cool Ruler Rides Again wrote: It's all much of a muchness, what's the difference between a UN sanctioned bomb that destroys buildings in the east and a terrorist bomb that destroys buildings in the west.
Where one is moral the other is bigger. Both sides are well wrong and should stop it forthwith. The only winners are the bomb makers. Ban the bomb.
- 43. At 00:16am on 23rd Mar 2011, Severian wrote: 7. At 20:07pm on 22nd Mar 2011, Maria Ashot wrote:
Libyans need to take the lead and responsibility for their own destiny. They need to define citizenship. They need to accept that after all this effort, the Coalition powers will expect them to create a Constitution that is consistent with the UN's International Declaration of Human Rights -- the one Q/G/K gleefully ripped to shreds during one of his last appearances before the General Assembly.
In other words, full equality for women, protections for law-abiding dissenters, protections for minorities and the vulnerable (children, the disabled) and due process to the standard of the typical European state.
None of this is as hard as it sounds. It is work -- a job creator -- it takes time and effort, but it is not any kind of tall order.
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Not as hard as it sounds?? How long did it take the Allies to do this in Iraq? And where are they now - they don't even have a functional government!
And exactly how are you going to get all these Libyans to sit down and agree to all this - equal rights for women, equal rights for all tribes, the right to free protest etc.?
This is NOT a trivial task, and can never be imposed from outside with the threat of bombing. And getting a group of fighting tribes to do this will be nigh on impossible.
- 44. At 00:27am on 23rd Mar 2011, GH1618 wrote: "Illogicbuster" shows in (4) his own difficulty with logic. The plain meaning of Mr. Mardell's third paragraph, which he quotes, is that the limited mission sanctioned by the UN does not conflict with broader aim of US policy to see Gadhafi removed from power.
- 45. At 00:31am on 23rd Mar 2011, publiusdetroit wrote: Ref 37 sayasay-
"The enactment of a NFZ is not total war; it is more like a live-firing exercise."
Would you define total war, and how you see the destruction of anti-aircraft defense systems as an act of total war?
You would also explain what the rules of engagement are during a live-firing exercise?
Have you any military experience? Any combat experience?
UN Resolution 1973 (2011) authorizes in Paragraph 8 under the sub-heading "No-fly Zone":
"...Member States that have notified the Secretary-General and the Secretary-General of the League of Arab States, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, to take all necessary measures to enforce compliance with the ban on flights imposed by paragraph 6 above, as necessary, and requests the States concerned in cooperation with the League of Arab States to coordinate closely with the Secretary General on the measures they are taking to implement this ban, including by establishing an appropriate mechanism for implementing the provisions of paragraphs 6 and 7 above"
What limitations do you think are imposed by the phrase in Paragraph 8 where the resolution authorizes, "all necessary measures to enforce compliance with the ban on flights"?
- 46. At 00:37am on 23rd Mar 2011, Fax off 606 wrote: 18. At 21:36pm on 22nd Mar 2011, Scott0962 wrote:
By the way, where are you going to get the electricity to charge that electric car if substantial numbers of people convert to electric cars? The infrastructure to support a wide scale conversion doesn't exist yet. And if people cut back on oil consumption what will governments tax to make up for the lost tax revenue they've become addicted to?
The more people that buy electric will force the changes, lets face it.. fuel prices are spiraling out of control and change will have to happen sooner rather than later.
As for the tax loss, well it appears the west are addicted to war so how about taxing weapons/arms dealers for the lost revenue, smokers are literally a dying breed, alcohol is almost as expensive as petrol per gallon and already taxed to death.
Tax obesity, tax polluting factories/manufacturing, tax the rich more, the poor less.
Fossil fuels will run out, will cause a massive war over control (hang on, we've been involved in wars over oil etc for a fair while now) over existing oil supplies, the middle easts economies will collapse, terrorism will increase.
All for the sake of trying to save a few pence on a litre of fuel in the here and now....
I am still awaiting a UN resolution that will impose a no-fly-zone and protect civilians in Zimbabwe but they haven't got any oil or commodities that the west want control of have they?
Put as i stated, this war/resolution is purely about oil.
Afghanistan is about control of their main export to the world...opium/heroin which is worth £$billions in Europe and the US (there's the tax issue sorted)
I still think our world leaders (Obama/Cameron etc.) think were all stupid.
- 47. At 00:37am on 23rd Mar 2011, Interestedforeigner wrote: UNSC 1970 calls for the impositions of sanctions against the government of mad Muammar. It also calls for the criminal prosecution of a list of individuals before the International Criminal Court in the Hague.
UNSC 1973 authorizes the use of force to protect Libyan Civilians - whether by enforcing a No-Fly Zone or by such other means as might be required, excluding the use of forces of occupation.
UNSC 1973 also authorizes the steps required fully to carry into effect UNSC 1970.
The interacting effect of the two resolutions can be summarized as:
(1) No Fly
(2) No Drive.
(3) You're going to the Hague.
Those are the goals.
They're clear.
They're easy to understand.
The UN has authorized them.
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No Fly is mostly in place.
No Drive seems to be partially in place, but could do with some beefing-up at places like Zintan, where, apparently, there are an awful lot of tanks.
No Drive should also aid the rebels very significantly.
The Rebels, on the other hand, need to get a grip.
Removing 'Daffy's forces from Agedabia is not that difficult a task, but so far the rebel fighters had had lots of enthusiasm, but they need to do quite a bit more thinking before they attack.
They also need to train a bit, and learn some discipline.
Where are all the personnel from the military units that switched to the rebel side?
Can even they not act with calm deliberation and discipline?
Without it, they aren't going anywhere.
Without it, they aren't going to be able to arrest 'Daffy & his boys, and send them to the Hague.
And this conflict is going to go on until that, or a suitable substitute, happens.
Come on, men of Benghazi and Tobruk.
Sort yourselves out. Show some self-discipline.
Your country is depending on you to get this done.
- 48. At 00:39am on 23rd Mar 2011, CuriousAmerican wrote: Mission Creep.....???............that implies an original mission..........
------------------What was the original mission??????-----------------
Please...for the love of GOD...someone please, please, please tell me what we hope to gain out of this?
Liberals in control............in full effect.....like what you see?....
.....the term "EPIC FAIL" comes to mind.....
- 49. At 00:43am on 23rd Mar 2011, GH1618 wrote: Iwilltellyouthis (20), other news agencies are covering this incident, for example CBS News: Witnesses differ on shooting during US rescue
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With a few helicipters (note : not occupying ground troops) and special forces training rebels Ghaddafi will be detroyed and no-one will be able to accuse Obama of going too far !
A just war won. The Libyan people freed from oppression and the Obama and not the Bush doctrine triumphant !