- 11. At 20:43pm on 22nd Mar 2011, LucyJ wrote:
- 12. At 20:49pm on 22nd Mar 2011, LucyJ wrote: Maria: In other words, full equality for women, protections for law-abiding dissenters, protections for minorities and the vulnerable (children, the disabled) and due process to the standard of the typical European state.
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How do you do something like that in an Islamic country whose values may not be the same as ours?
- 13. At 20:51pm on 22nd Mar 2011, Fax off 606 wrote: No-fly-zone- is that why the airforces of the coalition are targeting the Libyan Navy and command and control (and maybe Gaddafi himself).
I thought the no fly zone was to give the heavily armed 'rebels' a fighting chance.
Put simply- this is about oil.
Libya has it, the west wants it- hence the get Gaddafi at all costs 'no fly zone'.
The White House and Downing street think we are all stupid.
I'm going to buy an electric car...i've had enough of wars for petrol.
- 14. At 21:02pm on 22nd Mar 2011, Fax off 606 wrote: Just a quick one to add, the 'storm shadow' stand off cruise missiles that we have fired at ground targets (which funnily enough is not in the no fly zone) are a good hefty price to replace but we'll be alright once they put pertol up again to pay for the war and the very expensive weapons they have fired at Libya.
It's just a shame that people pay packets haven't gone up at the same rate that the government takes it away and spends it protecting petrol.
You might say i'm bitter about Petrol/Diesel - i am especially when i know that my company gets it's fuel for £1.07 a litre wholesale.
- 15. At 21:11pm on 22nd Mar 2011, rogershk wrote: Sitting in Pyongjang dear old Kim Il Jong must be congratulating himself on pursuing an aggressive nuclear arms program as he watches " the coalition" club together to beat up on Gaddafi. Cant see a Nato alliance telling Mr Kim to restore gas and water in his suburbs..the action in Libya sends a strong lesson to leaders the world over- arm yourself or be at the wrong end of a UN resolution.
Meanwhile.. read up Kent State for a quick lesson how a government can kill its citizens using military force and got away with it.
- 16. At 21:18pm on 22nd Mar 2011, Scott0962 wrote: Mission creep didn't take long. The U.S. lost an F-15E over Libya today. The F-15E is a version of the Air Force's F-15 air superiority fighter heavily modified for ground attack missions: still softening up Gaddafi's air defenses or are we now providing close air support for the rebels?
Perhaps more worrisome was the explanation that the plane went down due to "mechanical defect". No doubt the ground crew paid extra attention to preparing that plane for a combat mission so the idea that it suffered a mechanical failure over the target zone has very serious implications for the air worthiness of our combat aircraft. If the "mechanical defect" turns out to have been caused by ground fire I'll be relieved, that at least is something our pilots can plan for and take countermeasures against.
Is there any further word on the alleged attack by the rescue helicpter sent to retrieve the air crew on Libyan locals at the scene? Boy, talk about how not to win freinds and influence people. Someone needs to review the rules of engagement quick. We're supposed to be helping these people, not attacking them ourselves.
- 17. At 21:36pm on 22nd Mar 2011, berult wrote: This is a battle of will. President Obama has clearly stated that Gaddafi has to go. Colonel Gaddafi and Sons will never let go. He has staked his whole uncommiserating life and that of his siblings into a tribal hold on Lybia, and perpetual dependance for its People. This is an all too familiar story line in these parts of the world.
There is going to be a lot of political capital expended on this UN resolution. But at the end of the day, Lybia unlike Irak will turn out to be the real test case for either the forceful or the willful shifting of political power from despotic, illegitimate regimes to 'work-in-progress' People democracies.
Africa and the Middle-East are pregnant of democratic ideals. They could never have implicitly mandated a more deliberate, more complicit, more compassionate, more righteous and more resourceful midwife than this US President. He will not let Africa and the Middle-East down, whatever the cost to his present and prospective Presidencies.
Barrack Obama is the embodiment of Liberation dialectic. He planted the seed of Freedom and empowerment in Cairo some two years back. Lo and behold, as he sowed nuclear disarmament in Prague and harvested henceforth a fence mending treaty, we're beginning to hear the chorus of voices shouting out of Africa and the Middle-East: here... here..., from age-old sectarian bondage let's finally, unrepentantly, unconditionally break free.
- 18. At 21:36pm on 22nd Mar 2011, Scott0962 wrote: re. #13. At 20:51pm on 22nd Mar 2011, Fax off 606 wrote:
No-fly-zone- is that why the airforces of the coalition are targeting the Libyan Navy and command and control (and maybe Gaddafi himself).
simply- this is about oil.
Libya has it, the west wants it- hence the get Gaddafi at all costs 'no fly zone'.
The White House and Downing street think we are all stupid.
I'm going to buy an electric car...i've had enough of wars for petrol.
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Libya's naval forces pose a potential threat to coallition aircraft and the ships supporting the no fly zone and are therefor legitimate targets. Command and control facilities are by their very nature also legitimate targets. Its considered bad form to target heads of state but as commander in chief of the opposing forces Gaddafi would certainly be a legitimate target if he happened to be in one of those command and control centers when it was attacked.
By the way, where are you going to get the electricity to charge that electric car if substantial numbers of people convert to electric cars? The infrastructure to support a wide scale conversion doesn't exist yet. And if people cut back on oil consumption what will governments tax to make up for the lost tax revenue they've become addicted to?
- 19. At 21:38pm on 22nd Mar 2011, nakhon wrote: It is interesting to discuss all possibillities to end the problems in Libya, especially when we are not responsible for the important decisions and are no Libyans living in Benghazi and Misrata. By all subjective critics of 'important' figures to find in the media, the freedomfighters in Libya can learn to know their furuture 'friends' now. But, meanwhile, lets not forget to think about this strange phenomenon in our world that fellow humans, like Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Ceauşescu, Mao Zedong, Kim Yung-il, Kim Yung-un, Pol Pot, Robespierre, Than Shwe, and many others were and are able to rule a country as their private farm where they can decide about life and death as long as they do not cause too much problems across their borders but preferably contribute in maintaining our standard ignorant lifes.
- 20. At 21:51pm on 22nd Mar 2011, Iwilltellyouthis wrote: "Is there any further word on the alleged attack by the rescue helicpter sent to retrieve the air crew on Libyan locals at the scene?"
This "attack" is being reported in the Daily Telegraph which alleges that a child lost both legs as a result of it. If this did really happen why is there no mention of it by other broadcasters or newspapers?
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So why not divide Libya into East Libya, which could be ruled by rebels who could install a democracy, and West Libya, which could be ruled by Gaddafi who could stay in power and rule over his followers?
Then, it would be a peaceful stalemate in which the Western allies, such as UK and France, could build up East Libya, where the rebels could have a democratic election and live happily ever after...